Comments on: Some Technical Stuff

By: Maria

Maria — Mon, 06 Feb 2012 13:24:50 +0000

Hi,
Can you give me an idea of the salary ranges for working as a physio in France?
I have 20 years of general orthopedic experience in private and hospital setting. I’m interested in working 20 hours or so a week.
Thanks so much.

By: Gail

Gail — Sun, 27 Nov 2011 10:25:26 +0000

Hi, I mailed you the other week with all the info, hope you got it. Good luck.

By: Katie

Katie — Thu, 24 Nov 2011 10:39:33 +0000

Hello!
I’m a student physio student in the UK but would like to work in France when I graduate (my family lives there).

Could you give me any tips and information on what I would have to do to register so I would be able to work in France?

Many thanks!

Katie

By: Gail

Gail — Thu, 17 Nov 2011 12:11:40 +0000

Bonjour Leah,

Le système est un peux différent, tu trouve beaucoup d’info via le Chartered Society of Physiotherapists site, obligé a écrire en anglais! Je crois tu as besoin a faire un dossier pour NHS et faite un stage avec le HPC, Health for Professionals Council, je crois. Après ca se faite (ils vérifier tout tes diplomes), tu peux travail publique dans les hôpitaux et cabinets NHS multi-disciplinary avec les infirmier etc, salarie ou privé (liberale) dans un cabinet privé, non salarie normalement, mais plus que les seances ici!; Normalement ils veux plus que 5 ans travail après diplome avec plusieur formations en addition de ton diplome (on fait acupuncture la aussi).

Alors, peut être mieux tu contact le CSP pour tout l’info courante. Si jamais ce trops, tu peux aussi travail plus facilement comme Sports Massage Therapist, pas dans le système NHS liberale. Bon courage.

Gail

By: Leah

Leah — Sun, 13 Nov 2011 19:50:59 +0000

Bonjour Gail
Je suis désolée de t’écrire ici mais je n’ai pas trouvé sur ton site web comment répondre à ton sujet “About Me” !!
J’ai vu que tu accordais une grande importance à répondre à aider ceux qui t’écrivent et tu as du mérite Je me suis dit que je pourrais à mon tour te poser quelques questions…
Je suis kiné depuis cette année, j’ai été diplomée de l’école de Toulouse. Je suis à la recherche d’information concernant le travail du physiotherapist en Angleterre et je pense que tu dois être au courant !! En fait j’ai mon ami qui est parti travailler à Cancer Research UK à Cambridge et je voudrais aller le rejoindre dès que je peux. J’ai appris que le HPC n’accordait les équivalences qu’au bout de 4-5 ans d’expérience, alors je vais quand même monter mon dossier, on ne sait jamais.
En attendant, j’aimerai en savoir un petit peu plus sur le système anglais de prise en charge. Est ce que c’est la même chose qu’en France ? Est ce qu’il y a des cabinets de kinés comme on en trouve ici? (en lien avec le système de sécurité sociale ou non?)
Comment ça se passe pour les kinés qui travaillent à l’hopital ?
J’ai entendu dire qu’en Angleterre il fallait avoir exercé 2 années à l’hopital avant de pouvoir exercer en libéral, est ce vrai ?
Et au niveau des revenus, est ce que tu sais si ça change beaucoup que ce soit pour l’exercice en libéral ou en hospitalier ?
J’ai cru comprendre que tout était géré par le NHS et que l’exercice libéral non? aaaah je suis perdue !!
Je suis désolée pour toutes ces questions !! Tes réponses me seront d’une grande aide !!
A très vite j’espère,
Cordialement,
Leah

By: Jane

Jane — Mon, 31 Oct 2011 19:08:20 +0000

Dear Gail,

It seems that you have been very helpful in assisting people with information re: becoming registered to work as a physio in France.

I am a UK physio and am keen to come and work in France for a short period of time (over the winter season) but want to ensure that I am doing it in the correct way.

I have gone through the intial stages of registration (which took ages!) and have my adeli number and certificate. I understand that there is a 2nd stage of registration to go through to become registered with L’ordre des masseurs et kines-do you know if I have to go through this stage to be able to work temporarily in France or if this is only if I want to live and work permanently in France?

I would be very grateful for any information you are able to give me.

Best wishes

Jane

By: Gail

Gail — Tue, 19 Jul 2011 13:27:06 +0000

Hi,

Sorry to be so long in replying, I wasn’t checking the correct page!!

I am glad you have found out some info for sports massage therapists working in France and I agree there is a place for all, sports massage therapists, masseurs and physios and of course sometimes out treatments overlap. I am not sure how the regulatory bodies will deal with all to make sure each type of therapist is doing as they should, but thats for the beurocrats. My main bug bear each year is, of course the fee difference between what people are willing to pay for a massage and what the law for us says we are allowed to charge for physiotherapy, the difference is huge and I hope one day before I retire, the french physios fight to be either liberale and able to make ther fees as the want or to work for the state, with the fixed fees, but pension, insurances and national insurance paid for them as within the system in Britain. At present that is why the physios in france are desperately trying to keep massage rights, as they know its the only way to boost their incomes in the ski stations. But I guess thats for the Ordre of Masserus and Kinés to fight for us, but I doubt it.

Of course I hear you say, but why donn’t I just become a massage therapist and forget the physio with its poor salary, I have thought long and hard about that and the facts are I am trained as a physio, not a masseuse mainly, I enjoy the contact with all types of patients, not just for massage, but nerological, elderly, orthopaedic and of course sports injuries and out patients, if fact I enjoy my job, but I too have so pay charges and 3 kids to pay for, so my choice is either I work more and don’t see my kids as much or I do only massage, reduce my annual charges that way and become a another type of therapist which I am not. To date, I prefer to continue a job which I enjoy greatly and feel I do well as I do not believe money is everything and doesn’t make one happy in life. Voila end of my rant and moan. Why is it the jobs we enjoy doing never seem to pay as much as pushing buttons and moving numbers around? Don’t we do a worthwhile job reducing pain in people by simply using our hands? If we treat animals we would get paid well, it seems treating humans doesn’t seem to be valued by the state and powers to be in this world.

By: Cav

Cav — Fri, 17 Jun 2011 08:21:13 +0000

Hi Gail/Sophie
I notice that there was no reply to Sophie’s post back in November re: massage can now be performed by massage therapists!
It does seem that the Federation of French Massage therapists 0172 762656 has finally got their act together and is offering French membership and French insurance for massage therapists. This is great news for Sports therapists, they will be able to now provide the deep tissue massage, MET (Muscle energy techniques), NMT (nueromuscular techniques), STM (soft tissue Mobilisations), peripheral joint mobilisations and sports massage, which they have been qualified to do all along!!!

Its about time that France caught up with the rest of Europe, in fact its probably against European law for France not to recognise Sports therapists as Sports therapists.

I think I speak for most Sports Therapists when I say that we don’t want to be registered as French Physio’s because we are not, but we do want to be registered as Sports therapists and be recognised as experts in treating soft tissue injuries.

There is a place for Physio’s, Sports therapists, Massage therapists and Beauty therapists in ski resorts, so long as everyone provides a high level of treatment in the area of their expertise only.

Rant over!!

By: Gail

Gail — Thu, 16 Apr 2009 09:10:24 +0000

Hi George, glad to hear someone reads my blog. I am not sure where you could apply your work, the French are a bit behind the rest of us in Europe, even on their knowledge of physio, so your things maybe a bit radical for them. You could initially write to the Ministere de la Santé, they were the first people I had to register with to be authorised to work in France, they should know who and what you would need to do to work legally in France.

The other thing maybe if you were living near Geneva, the Swiss are a bit more open to new techniques and they pay more, if I was nearer I think I would also work in Swiss as the pay is poor in France.

Hope that helps.

Gail

By: george harris

george harris — Fri, 10 Apr 2009 16:44:27 +0000

Hi there Gail,

I was looking over your site and really appreciate the info you give on working in the health professions legally in France.

I am looking to move over in a few years time and would like to find out more about how I can also work ethically and legally.
I have qualifications in Kinesiology (www.ICPKP.com), NLP, Sports Science (Salford University) Massage (I have an ITEC diploma), Tai Chi, Craniosacral Therapy and Metabolic Typing (www.healthexcel.com).

I currently work in a clinic (www.citytherapy.org) and use mostly my Kinesiology, NLP and Metabolic Typing skills.

Do you know what the legal status is of any of these professions? Or if not, do you know where I could find out?

Many thanks in advance.

George